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Info-Mac Digest             Fri,  3 Sep 93       Volume 11 : Issue 175

Today's Topics:

      [*] About Archivist 4.1
      [*] Coca-Cola Sign Desktop
      [*] EasyTransfer (1/4) update
      [*] Igor1.28Updater.sit.hqx [part 1 of 1]
      [*] kais-photoshop-tips.hqx
      [*] Kings Cross Coke
      [*] Letterman/CBS QT Movie
      [*] Logo 2.1 with ReadMe file
      [*] my speech object (5 hours small unit, I'm getting better)
      [*] One small quantum leap for a Sam, one giant leap for ssc
      [*] OtherMenu 1.2.3, and -- info-mac/gui/replace-existing-?
      [*] StarAtlas 0.8 part 1 of 4
      [*] system 7 sound file QuarksResponse
      [*] ZTerm Star Trek Sounds
      (Q) Kurta ADB Graphics Tablet
      (Q) Partition one HD Into 2?
      128M MO Info
      16-bit video incompatibilities
      basic question about mac/unix (A)
      Centris 610 Mouse freezeups
      Centris 660/Quadra 840 AD Device (Q)
      Confused about Speech Manager, PlainTalk, Macintalk
      COPY DOUBLER II DEMO
      Direct output to laser printer
      Educational Resources (addendum)
      ENGLISH <--> Foreign Language Translation Dictionaries (C)
      film recorder needed
      finder sounds for system 7?
      FullWrite Pro tip
      Gatekeeper
      GNU Emacs on Mac? (A/C)
      GNU Emacs on Mac? [R]
      Help-LC 520 vs. LC III vs. ??? (Summary)
      How to get Excel 3 or 4 to limit #'s to 3 places (A)
      How to get Excel 3 or 4 to limit #'s to 3 places (Q)
      HP4M vs Apple LaserWriter Pro 600
      ID for F1 to F15
      IIcx --> Q700 upgrade? (A)
      KanjiTalk and E-mail (A)
      Macs---to leave on, or not to leave on (C)
      Macs---to leave on, or not to leave on (R)
      Macs - to leave on, or not to leave on (C)/Energy Saver
      MacX (Q)
      Microsoft Word or Nisus? (R)
      Obscure DEC Hard disk question
      OzTeX
      Printing maps
      PS/TT Help
      Reference points in Word
      Replacing a file - does it really have to work like that?
      software AppleTalk/EtherNet routers (Q)
      SPICE for the Mac
      system enablers help needed
      Thanks for the Excel help!! (2 msgs)

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Date: Mon, 22 May 05 13:35:44 HNE
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [*] About Archivist 4.1

Hello Gordon

I just sent a memo to Mr. Terrence Phillips about his problem launching the
SEA
application on his Centris 650.  My best bet is that he does not have the
HyperCard 2.1 program on one of his drives.

Just to experiment the ease of use and the power of the Archivist, I attached
to this memo an Archivist file named Digest # 161 to 174 thus containing more
than a dozen of this goodies I receive each day. Just imagine a full month or
a
full year of the Digest in a single Archivist file. Looking for something is
quite simple.

I would like your comments on this and maybe include this file in the
billboard
just to give an idea of what an electronic binder can look like. You can
change
the name of the binder if you decide to put it into the SUMEX billboard.

Cheers!


J.-Robert Thibault
InterNet:  [e-mail]

[Archived as /info-mac/text/archivist-41-example-binder.hqx; 1018K]

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Date: 2 Sep 1993 09:25:49 -1000
From: "BIESECKER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] Coca-Cola Sign Desktop

Content-Type: x-see-attachments
To: "Info Mac Inputs" <[e-mail]>

Sven Guckes writes:

>[e-mail] writes:
>[INGSI!]
>
>>Years ago I had an animated Coca-cola sign that was patterned after
>>a sign in Sidney, AU, I believe.  Is that thing still around?
>
>Down under is perfectly right!
>I remember this thingy and I think it's name is "King's Cross".
>But I could not find it in the index files of either SUMEX or UMICH
>(searching for "cross" and "king").
>
>I think I still have it somewhere (no guarantees).
>If it has disappeared from the archives I'll gladly upload it to UMICH.
>
>Sven :)

Is this what you're looking for?

Aloha from Hawaii,
-Ted

[Archived as /info-mac/grf/coca-cola-sign-startup.hqx; 38K]

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 93 14:07:13 +0100
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [*] EasyTransfer (1/4) update

Hi everybody!

Here is the latest update of the file transfer package EasyTransfer.

What is EasyTransfer?

EasyTransfer is a tool that allows users to exchange files between
Macintosh computers. It is very much like ftp, except that it is
meant for Macs (it does not require time consuming file conversion
like BinHex). It requires MacTCP and an Internet connection (or
SLIP/PPP).

What's new in 2.1

Made it more stable, particularly over SLIP/PPP.
Registered users can (optionally) get access to all mounted drives,
including AppleShare volumes.
More than one file may be sent at a time.
Whole directories may be retrieved from server in a single operation.
Some cursor animation.
"About..." screen goes away automatically.

Please report any bugs, comments etc. to [e-mail]

[Archived as /info-mac/comm/easy-transfer-21.hqx; 106K]

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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 93 18:01:51 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Jim Prouty)
Subject: [*] Igor1.28Updater.sit.hqx [part 1 of 1]

Incompatibility Fixed in Igor 1.28 (8/25/93)

Igor is WaveMetric's data analysis and publication-quality graphing program.

Apple's recently released "AV" Macs and some third-party 68040
accelerators do not do automatic cache flushing as it was done
in Apple's earlier 68040 machines. This version of Igor includes
explicit cache flushing to compensate for this change. Therefore,
Igor 1.28 will run on the "AV" Macs and some third-party 68040
accelerators that caused earlier versions of Igor to crash.

Other than this compatiblity fix, Igor 1.28 is functionally identical
to Igor 1.27.

This updater will update Igor 1.24, 1.25, 1.26 or 1.27 to 1.28.
It is a BinHexed Stuffit 1.5.1 file.

Jim Prouty, Net Lurker

[Archived as /info-mac/sci/igor-128-updt.hqx; 156K]

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 17:24:53 PDT
From: macmod (Info-Mac Moderator)
Subject: [*] kais-photoshop-tips.hqx

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 21:49:04 +0100
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From: [e-mail] (M.J. Ratcliffe)
Subject: Kai Krause's Tips for using Photoshop

Please find a submission for the archives attached to this email. Enclosed
is a compressed binhexed file containing the set of tips for using Adobe
Photoshop published by Kai Krause on AOL.

This file is being uploaded with the permission of Kai Krause and may be
distributed elsewhere with the understanding that:

       - they may not be distributed for money
    - copyright remains with Kai Krause

Many thanks to Marc Cardwell ([e-mail]) for his
invaluable help in making this submission possible.

--michael

[Archived as /info-mac/info/sft/kais-photoshop-tips.hqx; 4110K]

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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 93 22:15:45 EDT
From: "Roger D. Parish" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] Kings Cross Coke

Jim Henry recently asked if anyone knew where he might find the subject
program.  It appears to have fallen off the archives, so here it is again.
I have included an excerpt from the Read Me that accompanies the program.

Kings Cross Coke 2.0
by John Rotenstein

The Coca-Cola symbol is undoubtedly the most recognisable in the world
due to the massive marketing efforts undertaken by the Coca-Cola Company.

One particular Coca-Cola advertisement can be found in Kings Cross, just
outside the CBD of Sydney, Australia.  Not only is it one of the largest
advertisements in the country, it also proudly flaunts its messages with
a barrage of flashing lights, not all of which are always working
correctly.

This program is a tribute to that sign and to the attractiveness of its
multiple light patterns.  While the real sign has only seven patterns,
which constantly repeat, KINGS CROSS COKE is capable of displaying
thousands of light patterns in a totally random fashion.

For lucky colour users, you can even randomise the colours of the sign's
elements.  It's rather hoopy, really.

Kings Cross Coke operates under MultiFinder to give you the ultimate
background pattern.

It's the real thing.

Kings Cross Coke is distributed under the HappiWare* System:
IF YOU LIKE IT, REMEMBER TO SMILE!

But seriously, if you do like Kings Cross Coke, I would appreciate your
sending me a picture postcard of your home town, just so I can see how
far this little program has spread.

    John Rotenstein
    PO Box 165
    Double Bay, NSW 2028
    AUSTRALIA.

P.S. Yes, I know that normal Coke doesn't have NutraSweet, but the logo
was too good not to use.

(This BinHex file created by DownLine 1.1)

[Archived as /info-mac/grf/kings-cross-coke.hqx; 28K]

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 23:05:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin R Lesniewicz <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] Letterman/CBS QT Movie

Here's a QuickTime version of the wonderful CBS ID/promo with Dave
Letterman totally blocking the normal CBS logo and saying "This is CBS"
(and then making a classic face). I tried for a week to tape this and
finally nabbed it. Enjoy! ;-)

-kevin

[Archived as /info-mac/grf/qt/letterman-over-cbs.hqx; 219K]

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 21:01:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [*] Logo 2.1 with ReadMe file

    Previously, I submitted this version of Logo without its accompanying
ReadMe file. (Whoops!) Here it is again.

    This is Logo 2.1/Mac, simply the best shareware Logo for Macintosh. It
runs on HyperCard 2.1. Unlike some Logo variants, which require knowledge of
HyperCard scripting and can provide quizzical errors, with Logo 2.1 you never
have to mess with HyperCard's internals.

    Almost all commands supported by Apple II Logo are present. (Due to
limitations of Hypercard, color is absent) I'm sure you'll like Logo 2.1, and
for only $5 shareware how could you go wrong?

    Thanks very much for giving my program a try, and for keeping
shareware alive...
                            *Stiles

................................. cut here ..................................

[Archived as /info-mac/card/logo-21.hqx; 34K]

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 10:23:13 -0500
From: PAUL M SHELDON <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] my speech object (5 hours small unit, I'm getting better)

    I didn't have help in c translation to pascal from the kid I mentor, PJ
Traue, this time, so there are definite guesses in pascal meaning of c.
    In this archived submission are four mpw text files. I have
included interface and implementation of the speech unit, my old code segment
that doesn't use the unit and a new code segment which does.
    I noted that the new code segment that uses the unit must also have a
uses speech or it won't know the meaning of a type, SpeechChannel. That's
odd, since I tried not having uses all the way up the hierarchy of calling
routines and the object oriented pascal language only caught me there. I am
curious as to when I can get away with not using uses items; I am curious
as to how much is, as they say in modula language, hidden import.
    This speech unit works, but may have mistakes in particular in the
Gestalt manager call pascal interpretation of the c code written up in the
apple docviewer document on speech manager. Maybe the kid I mentor will
correct my translation. Maybe someone out there will. I also have Halts to
handle os errors. I think that is sort of lame, because I don't insure that
all objects are free'd with such a handling. Someone more savvy than could
improve on this, for sure.
    I did several experiments with the unit. You will see my earlier (working)
experiments commented out. I wanted to see what a Boris with a Brenda echo
would sound like. It sounded like an incompetant translator, not like an
echo. There was a time delay, even when I didn't put it there from the
speech processing. A very short time for the Brenda echo, but noticeable.
If you use the same speaker object to speak concurrently, it cuts its own
speech off after an interceded delay. Evidentally, to have concurrent
speech, your program must seize a different channel.
What you can do with this:
    With this as a unit in  a text editor, you should be able to select
things you want to have the mac speak.
    When you use this unit, you may discover a greater wisdom that I found
making it and improve upon it. For your courage, before I tried making
this primative thing, I thought it would take more than twice as long as
it did. It didn't, even though I was exhausted from other things I did
that day!
    With this submission, you can get the feel of a boundary on how
long it takes pascal procedural code to be turned into a prototype unit
for an object.

[Archived as /info-mac/dev/src/speech-unit-p.hqx; 10K]

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 15:58:12 -0500
From: PAUL M SHELDON <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] One small quantum leap for a Sam, one giant leap for ssc

    Here's a system 7 startup sound for your macs anticipating the Senate
debate. It has a sound resource that can be played on earlier systems.
Just place in your startup items folder.
    It's Sam, of Quantum Leap, who lept into Elvis Presley and was singing
'Will the Circle be Unbroken'. It could be a theme song for people waiting
for hole boring machine replacement or to keep Kip Thorne on schedual with
his book :
Thorne, Kip S.
  >From black holes to time warps : Einstein's outrageous legacy / Kip S.
Thorne.  New York : W.W. Norton, 1993.  p. cm.
LC CALL NUMBER: QC6 .T526 1993 *CIP - NOT YET IN LC*
PROJECTED PUBLICATION DATE: 9402
SUBJECTS:
  Physics--Philosophy.
  Relativity (Physics)
  Astrophysics.
  Black holes (Astronomy)
DEWEY DEC:  530.1/1 dc20
NOTES:
  "January 1993 version of a book under contract to the Commonwealth Fund Book
Program."
  Includes bibliographical references.
ISBN:  0393035050
LCCN:  93-2014

[Archived as /info-mac/snd/sam-unbroken.hqx; 428K]

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 93 06:43:02 JST
From: Masatsugu Nagata <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] OtherMenu 1.2.3, and -- info-mac/gui/replace-existing-?

>
> Replace-Existing Options is a Control Panel that remaps the buttons in
> the Standard File's "Replace Existing" alert,
> presented when a file of the same name exists.
>

[Archived as /info-mac/gui/replace-existing.hqx; 23K]

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 7:47:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Youhei Morita, KEK Computing Center" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] StarAtlas 0.8 part 1 of 4

StarAtlas v-0.8
Written by Youhei Morita using THINK C 5.0.

This program draws a map of a region of the sky.  It also displays
the positions of the Sun and planets.  (Moon is not supported yet.)

Color monitors, Planetarium view and Solar System views are supported.
A 68020 machine or above is recommended, although it does run on Plus
or SE.

StarAtlas is freeware (send a postcard to the author if you like the
program).

Youhei Morita / [e-mail]

[Archived as /info-mac/sci/star-atlas-08.hqx; 274K]

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 11:54:13 -0500
From: "Paul M. Sheldon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] system 7 sound file QuarksResponse

    Suppose you were a quark or even a Higgs boson and somebody in the
political arena thought that you were something that could be debated into or
out of existance. Suppose that political someone was asking everybody to
stop using their imagination and not do the experiment. Suppose they bothered
you incessantly, even more than once a year, so you tended to forget
the third law of aquisition any Ferenguy knows. What would you respond?
  Here is a hi fi input to my IIsi mike-port from an attenuating patchcord
monoral plug to my stereo headphone jack. With a little imagination and
reassurance from a friend on the internet (on this very digest),
nothing fried. Before the supercollider got debated, I figured it was time
to experiment.
    Live long and prosper.

[Archived as /info-mac/snd/quark.hqx; 323K]

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1993 15:55:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Leslie Jones <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] ZTerm Star Trek Sounds

This is M's ZSounds. These System 7 sounds can be used
by anyone with System 7. ZTerm users can drag them into
their system file for use with ZTerm. Two of the sounds
feature Lieutenant Worf, everyone's favorite Klingon from
Star Trek: The Next Generation.

Sound name     Sound
**********     *****
Connect       "Link established. Receiving."
Filedone      "Transfer of information complete."
Termbell       Enterprise computer beep sound.

Compressed and binhexed with Compact Pro 1.33.
Checked for viruses with Disinfectant 3.2.

Leslie Jones
[e-mail]

[Archived as /info-mac/snd/star-trek-comm.hqx; 93K]

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 9:11:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (Q) Kurta ADB Graphics Tablet

Having just accepted delivery of this product, I am frustrated by not
being able to acquire the cursor coordinates in ASCII form.  I would
like to be able to digitize curves in ordinary y vs. x graphs for
calculations or re-plotting.  Does anyone know of a Mac application
that would simply read the (x,y) tablet coordinates into a text file?
The technical support from Kurta has been underwhelming.

David Chapman

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1993 10:26:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joshua Hart -- A Forensic Chemist (to be) at Large!"
<[e-mail]>
Subject: (Q) Partition one HD Into 2?

Oh Great Info-Macers :)
    Does anybody know of a way to partition one HD into 2 separate
    Macintosh
Hard drives.. The reason being I would like one partition to carry Programs.
(A
partition I can lock down) and a second partition to use as a "data" portion
(as in saving word processing files, etc)
     I can get the HD partitioned into 2 parts, but only one of them can be
counted as a Macintosh Volume, the other I have to use for "scratch" needless
to say this is not quite what i was wanting to do. :) What tools are
neccessary
to accomplish this great feat?
     Thank you in advance.. :)
     Joshua <[e-mail]>  <[e-mail]>

P.S. Certainly is this not an FAQ, or is it? :^)

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 02:51:55 GMT
From: Danny Thomas <[e-mail]>
Subject: 128M MO Info

In Digest #170 Michael Gallamore <[e-mail]> writes:
> Hello,
>    I am looking for information and advice concerning 3 1/2", 128MB
MO
> drives.  In particular I am looking at the Panasonic, Epson,
NuDesign,
> Fujitsu, and Pinnacle Tahoe.  Any information you have would be
> appreciated, especially personal experience.  Please e-mail me at the
> address below.  Thanks! :)
Hello Michael, this is mainly a cautionary note for people thinking of
getting the Epson OMD-5010 drive, which they _may_ want to use at a
future date on a PC.  We bought four from APS, two for installation in
Macs and two for PCs. Using the same drive would allow for swapping
between machines, some sort of redundancy in that a replacement drive
could be taken from the least important mac/pc.
    The drives arrived promptly and we had no problem at all getting
them to work on the Mac. The problem came with the two on PCs which
both used Adaptec 1542B SCSI controllers. After much correspondence,
15 phone calls and 70 (yes seventy) pages of FAXes to APS, Epson and
Adaptec, plus a dozen emails to people posting on comp.protocols.scsi,
it seems that the ROM version 3.09 in our drives has an
incompatibility with the 1542B controller - I was told by an Epson
engineer that the problem lies with their drive, not the 1542B.  It
appears that Epson did _NOT_ pass this info on to APS who they sold
the drives to, nor to Adaptec.  I spoke with the Adaptec engineer who
had tested the conformance of the drives supplied by Epson (with 3.10
firmware). He was interested to know of the problem with the 3.09
firmware which hopefully has been recorded in Adaptec's database so
future problem calls can be more quickly resolved. Apart from wasting
two of my working weeks (and it's a bit hard to explain to the boss
where US$1200 of salary was productively spent), I class the whole
episode as a fiasco - each person I spoke to at the three companies
can claim with some justification that they made a reasonable effort
to sort the problem out, but the end result was a failure in end-user
support. It is not like I simply said "it doesn't work", I supplied
each person with a detailed technical description, but it seems that
most problems they deal with have simple solutions.
    And after return to Epson America for reprogramming EEPROMs,
everything seems to be working fine.  We have no complaint about the
mechanisms (yet).

cheers,
Danny Thomas.

PS and I wasn't particularly happy with APS commitment to supporting
PC customers.  Not only did I loose faith in their technical support,
but the mounting hardware they supplied for PC installation was the
wrong size - OK for 3.5" floppy drives, but not for the Epson drives
which are 40% taller. Their bundle also included a copy of Sytos+
backup software and a DAT tape. For anyone else thinking of buying
these mechanisms from APS for PCs make sure (1) they will be supplied
with 3.10 firmware, (2) the mounting hardware will be suitable, (3)
and see whether they might bundle more useful software like CorelSCSI.
I sent a FAX complaint to APS four days ago, but so far it hasn't even
been acknowledged.

PPS have a look at the comp.protocols.scsi FAQ from rtfm.mit.edu which
includes some info on MO drives for the Mac taken from one of the
comp.sys.mac groups.

and we now return you to your scheduled Macintosh channel...

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Date: 3 Sep 1993 10:05:08 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Dirk Eckert)
Subject: 16-bit video incompatibilities



I am using a Centris 650 with the color depth normally set to 16 bit. Just
by chance I found that some programs will not display correctly, such as
leaving out parts, when the display is set to 16 bit. I am NOT referring
to programs, such as certain games, which suggest or require you to
set the color depth to a specific level!
One of these programs is Dynopage 2.0 which will not show the layout icons
in the set up dialog while using 16-bit video.
At this point I am wondering if this problem is specific to a Centris 650
with System 7.1 and a 16" monitor.
Anyone else having a similar problem?

Dirk Eckert

[e-mail]
--
Dirk Eckert      <[e-mail]>

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1993 11:08:40 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Anders Stegen)
Subject: basic question about mac/unix (A)

> Hi, I recently bought a Powerbook 160, and want to ba
> able to use some of the software from the sumex-aim
> archive, and am having trouble getting the code into
> the mac.  I can ftp .hqx files to my workstation, and
> then use mcvert to convert them to MacBinary.  From there
> I'm stumped.

Get the .hqx file to your Mac with Apple File Exchange, it's a text file.
You then de-binhex it. Either with the original BinHex utility program
or with the ones built into any modern archiver (Compact Pro, Stuffit).

And how do I transfer a BinHex utility to my Mac from another computer if
I don't have it?
You don't. You have to get a copy of it on a Mac-formatted floppy.

/Anders

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1993 10:52:59 -0500 (cdt)
From: Paul Duckenfield <[e-mail]>
Subject: Centris 610 Mouse freezeups

Does anyone have any problems with their Centris 610's mouse not working
properly on startup? We have noticed the problem with a number of new
purchases. The keyboard still works fine and executing the program "ADB
Reset" from the archives seems to bring the mouse to life. However, it would
be ideal if it weren't frozen on startup. Another fix has been to completely
shut the computer down and restart (sometimes restarting five or six times).

Paul Duckenfield                Grinnell College        [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 93 11:01:34 +0200
From: [e-mail] (Wolf Dieter Brandt)
Subject: Centris 660/Quadra 840 AD Device (Q)

Hello!

Can anybody tell me something about the quality of the AD device
(microphone, internal audio-output) in the new Macintosh AV machines,
e.g. SNR  .....
I know, it's a 16 bit converter, but not more.
We are working on speech recognition, text-to-speech conversion and
some related topics and need a high quality analog-digital converter.

Please contact me directly via EMail, it's very urgent!

Thank you,

Wolf Dieter Brandt.
smail:
III. Physikalisches Institut
der Universitaet Goettingen
Buergerstrasse 42-44
D 37073 Goettingen

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 93 11:00:48 CDT
From: "Eric H. Durbrow" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Confused about Speech Manager, PlainTalk, Macintalk

I'm confused by all the packages available to make Macs talk. I want to get
the latest extension/voices for my Mac IIsi (not an AV machine). Should I
download the 6 MB Plaintalk files? Just Speech Manager? Is there a NEW
Macintalk? Which uses the least amount of RAM? Thanks for any info.

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 09:16:51 PST
From: [e-mail] (Salient Software)
Subject: COPY DOUBLER II DEMO

In article <[e-mail]>
([e-mail]), you write:
...
    There are several things that can cause the demo to expire.
...
    The other problem could be that the demo you downloaded was not the one
    I submitted via "macgifts".  Someone may have uploaded a demo that they
    had run on their system.  Anyone having this problem please let me know
    were you downloaded from.

We are getting another demo ready that will function even if the previous
demo has expired on you system.  It should be ready soon.

Harri Rehnberg
Fifth Generation Systems

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 12:03:13 GMT
From: [e-mail] (ian wood)
Subject: Direct output to laser printer

I have access to a Mac with laser printer. I am able to print
a file to disk (on my non mac system) and transfer it to the
mac via PC disks.

How do I dump this file directly to the laser printer? Without
any of the codes been altered (This is a binary file NOT text)

Any help appreciated.

Thanks,
Ian

[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 09:34:23 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Educational Resources (addendum)

My apologies to the international community...

I only gave the 800 number for Educational Resources in my post yesterday.
They may also be reached at 708-888-8300 (fax: [phone]), or at:

Educational Resources
1550 Executive Drive
Elgin IL 60123

Paul Baim

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Date: 02 Sep 1993 07:33:13 +0100 (MET)
From: Hans Kroeger <[e-mail]>
Subject: ENGLISH <--> Foreign Language Translation Dictionaries (C)

Jay Kahn writes in Digest-173:

I have seen Mac packages that act like a standard dictionary for several
languages.  For example,  I can use one give it a Dutch word and get back a
Dutch definition of that word.

What about translation dictionaries?  I want to give it a word in English
and get the Dutch equivalent, and vice versa.  Do these packages exist?
How does one go about getting in contact with the vendor?
 -----------------------------

I asked that question before and the only thing I got back was a MS Word list
of
english words and there translations. It is hard to believe that nobody had
picked up the idea to generate a dictionary for MS Word or any other such
application which works the same way as the Thesaurus does, offering you the
foreign translation of a selected or typed in word....But seemingly such a
tool
does not exist. With all these electronic pocket dictionaries around it should
be dead easy to create these files using the Thesaurus format.....I guess.

Hans Kroeger
[e-mail]          (Internet)
[e-mail]     (Internet)
[e-mail]  (Compuserve)
PSI%4575455310::KROEGER     (DATEX-P)

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Date: 2 Sep 1993 09:34:52 -0500
From: "Elliott, Robert C" <[e-mail]>
Subject: film recorder needed

We are presently looking to replace a tired Agfa film recorder (for shooting
slides out of Powerpoint) that is prone to expensive breakdowns.  GCC looks to
be the frontrunning brand, but are interested in any comments/opinions about
that model or any other before we make the big purchase.  Thanks in advance
for
all responses to [e-mail].

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Date: 3 Sep 1993 10:24:55 -0500
From: "Elliott, Robert C" <[e-mail]>
Subject: finder sounds for system 7?

On my old Mac, running under system 6, I ran a freeware program from Greg
Smith
called Finder Sounds, a program that was not only amusing (whooshing space
noises when closing windows) but very useful (piano tinkling when file copying
was completed, an audio clue to return to work).  Much to my dismay, this
program doesn't want to function on my Powerbook under system 7, and I miss it
greatly.  Does anyone know of an upgrade or similar program that can fill this
void?  (p.s. SoundMonitor, a similar product which plays noises for
higher-level operations such as startup and disk insert, does not provide
sound
options for the more common operations as Finder Sound does).  Thanks in
advance for your replies to [e-mail].

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 21:43:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Thoo <[e-mail]>
Subject: FullWrite Pro tip

Here's a tip I just learned from the kind folks at Akimbo:

Holding down the Shift key while copying or cutting (equivalently,
pressing cmd-shft-c or cmd-shft-x) *appends* the selection to the current
Clipboard contents.  And option-paste (or cmd-opt-v) swaps the selection
with the clipboard.  Wow!

--John.
<[e-mail]>  ``My _real_ word processor is FullWrite.''

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 14:47:04 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Gatekeeper

Dear Don't:
Sumex is about the easiest place to get the complete GK package. It's never
distibuted in patch form, always the complete package. Try
/info-mac/vir/gatekeeper<whatever>. Download and de-binhex the file,
double-click the resulting archive file and watch it put the Gatekeeper
package, manuals and all, into a folder. From that folder, drag Gatekeeper,
Gatekeeper Controls and Gatekeeper Aid onto your *closed* system folder
icon. Allow the older files to be replaced. Restart your Mac and open the
Gatekeeper control panel. The displayed version number should be 1.2.8.

Sumex is Gopherable. So is the master Gatekeeper site:
microlib.cc.utexas.edu, port 3003. Look in /microlib/mac/virus.

GK 1.2.8 is simply a maintenance release. The author puts in 6-month
warning messages to encourage you to keep up to date with the latest
release. There haven't been any new viri lately, so GK 1.2.8 just gives you
another 6 message-free months. No new viri also means Disinfectant doesn't
need updating, hence it's still at version 3.2.

Cheers
Mike Dustan, Computing Services, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC Canada

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 09:10:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Eric Burger)
Subject: GNU Emacs on Mac? (A/C)

Forwarded message from Sven Guckes:
> >Does anyone know of a GNU Emacs port to the Mac?
> >The other so-called "emacs" just aren't the same.
> SUMEX: 179243 Dec 23 1989     ./app/microemacs-310a.hqx
> UMICH: 179717 Nov 14 1992 util/text/microemacs3.10a.sit.hqx
> I don't really know whether this one is a GNU port.
> Anybody done a review on that one?
> Sven :)
> ------------------------------
There are the "not-really-the-real-thing" EMACS editors.  GNU
has an almost pathological aversion to having anything work
on the Mac [my guess is that it stems from Apple not giving
away hardware and Apple's policy of vigorously protecting
their intellectual property rights].
--
Eric Burger
[e-mail]

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Date: 02 Sep 1993 09:27:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mel Park <[e-mail]>
Subject: GNU Emacs on Mac? [R]

What Sven Guckes has found (in microemacs v.3.1) is not a port of GNU
emacs. It's an old-fashioned editor that does include the emacs macro
language but not lisp and not the power to reconfigure that emacs has. It
has mouse support that is very strange to a mac user.

I don't know if it's related or not but GNUers rail against Apple. Work
ceased on this micro-emacs port several years ago.

    -Mel Park
    Univ. Tennessee

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 9:20:55 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Stephen Grady)
Subject: Help-LC 520 vs. LC III vs. ??? (Summary)

Sorry to be so long with this summary but I have been busy at work and
also am preparing for the new school year.  In the August 17 post, I
asked for help in determining what to do with my current system at
home:

Currently I have: LC, 10 mb RAM :-), 40 mb hard drive 8-(,
StyleWriter, Logitech Scanman 32, Packard Bell PB2400Plus Modem (it
was free!) and an Apple 12 inch RGB monitor supporting 256 colours.
All except the modem were purchased in January 1992.
Software: System 7.1, Microsoft Word 5.1, PageMaker 4.2, MacDraw II,
ClarisWorks, SAM 3.5, NUM 2.0, FileMaker Pro (version 1), SoftAT 2.52,
SuperATM.

I was debating between upgrading to a LCIII, selling the current LC
and monitor and purchasing a LC520, purchasing an external HD for the
LC, or ???

My thanks to those that responded with excellent suggestions and ideas
(in no particular order):
Povl H. Pedersen     [e-mail]
Stephen Wall         [e-mail]
Patrick T. Pruyne    [e-mail]
L. Maurice Riggins   [e-mail]
Iain D. Dickey       [e-mail]
Eugene Cohen         [e-mail]
Carl Allison         [e-mail]

Some recommended the upgrade to the LCIII, while others thought the
value of the LC520 was too good to pass up. One common thread was to
really sit down and sort out what I wanted versus what I could afford
now and what I really needed now.

With only a 40 mb HD, I am in trouble (all the neat stuff I download
gets tested, compressed again, and stored on floppies since I have no
room to leave it on the HD.) I need more memory. So I will be
purchasing a new hard drive (what is really wild is while I have been
sorting this out, the computer store on campus just dropped the prices
on HD's! :)))))))
Step two will come closer to Christmas (a gift for my Mac?) when I
will probably purchase an accelerator card.

Again, thanks for all the help!

"I know just enough to be dangerous"
Stephen Grady         [e-mail]

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Date: 02 Sep 1993 09:44:52 +0000 (U)
From: "Dees, Ted E." <[e-mail]>
Subject: How to get Excel 3 or 4 to limit #'s to 3 places (A)

mei deng,

>Hello- I was wondering if anyone knows how to limit the value of a number
>to 3 digits after the decimal place?

After setting the Number format (e.g., 0.000), go to Options/Calculations and
select Precision As Displayed.  I think this should do what you want.

Ted Dees ([e-mail])

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 15:54:55 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Mark A. Shelly)
Subject: How to get Excel 3 or 4 to limit #'s to 3 places (Q)

In digest <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:

>Hello- I was wondering if anyone knows how to limit the value of a number
>to 3 digits after the decimal place?  Not just going under _Number_ and
>formatting it as 0.000, but actually losing the extra numbers.  I am trying

=INT(yournumber*1000+.5)/1000

This is a rounding technique; your bank may round differently.

=ROUND(number,num_digits)

is Excels direct way to do this.

Hope this helps.

Mark Shelly
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 9:23:01 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Stephen Grady)
Subject: HP4M vs Apple LaserWriter Pro 600

This is for a buddy that I do some DTP work for.

He will be purchasing a laser printer for his company before the month
is out (currently has an Imagewriter).

He will be printing flyers, brochures, billing statements (with
envelopes--his handwriting is a mess on them).  Most the printing is
straight text, but the flyers and brochures will be used for
photocopying.  Additionally, he has several manuals which will be
printed out.  He teaches First Aid and CPR, and his manuals will have
a lot of grayscale images in them which have a great deal of detail.

He has narrowed the field down to the HP4M or the Apple LaserWriter
Pro 600.

One shop well known in Vancouver (for quality _and_ high prices) is
recommending the Apple (higher markup was _his_ feeling).  A couple of
stores are recommending the HP.

Whatever he gets will be hooked up to his SE/30 (in the future who
really knows--he is talking about expanding his operation).

I know zip about printers, especially laser.  I notice that MacUser
groups both as Workgroup Printers in their September special report on
laser printers.  A Workgroup printer sounds like it might be a little
much? I dunno.

Any comments or suggestions? Please email me direct and I will
summarize for the digest.

"I know just enough to be dangerous"
Stephen Grady         [e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 16:59:22 +0100
From: "J. Rossi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: ID for F1 to F15

Hello all

A silly question I guess but what ID shall I give to a FKEY to assign it
to the function keys on the extended keyboard ?

I know that ID 1 will work with CMD-SHIFT 1.

Thanks

Francois

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1993 14:31:27
From: [e-mail] (Charlie Mingo)
Subject: IIcx --> Q700 upgrade? (A)

[e-mail] (Steve Peake) writes:

> Apple used to offer an upgrade package to take a IIcx to a
> Quadra 700. Since the Q700 was discontinued, Apple no longer
> offers this. Is there a 3rd-party source for this upgrade?

Shreve Systems sells both the upgrade for the IIcx and the IIci
(which, interestingly enough, are priced seperately).  I don't
know the current prices, but the IIcx-->Q700 upgrade used to be
$2399 and the IIci-->Q700 was $1999.

I should point out that you can buy a Centris 650 for that kind
of money, and you would not only have a better CPU, but you would
have two of them!

If you're still interested....

Shreve Systems
1200 Marshall St
Shreveport LA 71101

800/227-3971
318/424-7987

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1993 14:37:55
From: [e-mail] (Charlie Mingo)
Subject: KanjiTalk and E-mail (A)

"Chris Hindall" <[e-mail]> writes:

>I recently bought the Apple Japanese Language Kit, was suitably impressed,
>and promptly wrote an e-mail message to my Japanese pen-pal.  He has a Unix
>machine using SHIFT-JIS or OLD-JIS.   He wrote back to tell me that he
>couldn't read it, and enclosed a line of kanji from his system which I
>couldn't read, either...

There are at least two solutions I can think of:

Assuming you read your e-mail on another machine using a terminal
emulator, you can just use a Kanji-friendly terminal program, which
will recognize the SJIS codes and display them properly.  There are
two main choices for this: Ninjaterm 0.962 (a good standby, but showing
its age these days), or Terminal 2.2J1 (newer and more powerful).

[Terminal 2.2J is available on ftp.foretune.co.jp as
 /pub/Mac/Communication/Terminal2.2-J1.hqx.  Note that you must get
 Terminal 2.2J, as Terminal 2.1J will not display Kanji.

 NinjaTerm I can't seem to find on any ftp archive, but will e-mail upon
 request.]

If you can't use a terminal program to read your email, then you will
have to save the file on your Mac, and convert it manually.  The JCONV
programs you looked at are indeed what you need.  Fortunately, there is
one with a mich-improved interface, jconv-dd, which will convert any
file dropped onto it to the Mac's Kanji coding.

[Jconv dd is available on sumex as: /info-mac/app/jconv-dd.hqx]

Note: if you wish to find out more on this subject, I suggest you
obtain the file JAPAN.INF from gatekeeper.dec.com in the .4/JAPAN/DEC_CRL
directory.  It contains a useful discussion of the different coding schemes,
and how they are used on different makes of computers.

You also might consider subscribing to the KanjiTalk mailing list (run in
English), which is full of other Mac KanjiTalk users who have usually
encountered and solved any problems you might face.

Hope this helps.


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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 10:06:31 PDT
From: gla-aux![e-mail] (Glenn Austin)
Subject: Macs---to leave on, or not to leave on (C)

>I've read (here, in fact, I believe) that it's not a bad idea to leave
>one's Mac on all the time because powering it up each time stresses its
>circuits.  But in the Oct93 Macworld [p.139], Jim Heid states, ``Leaving
>a Mac on 24 hours a day ... shortens a hard drive's life.''  Hmm ... that
>sort of puts me between a rock and a hard place, it seems: switching my
>Mac off/on each day is good for the hard drive, but not so good for the
>circuits; leaving it on 24 hours is good for the circuits, but not so
>good for the hard drive.  My question is, What's my best strategy?
>To leave my Mac on all the time, or not?  (Presently, I leave my Mac on
>24 hours, but switch off the (external) monitor at night.)  Thanks.

You should check out the latest version (5.5) of Silverlining.  Silverlining
has a "Drive Sleep" function as part of its driver -- and can put your drives
to sleep after a period of non-use.  Another advantage to this (beyond the
lack of wear and tear on the drive's bearings) is that a drive that is
"asleep"
uses much less power than a drive that is "awake".

// Glenn L. Austin
// Macintosh Wizard and Auto Racing Driver
// Usenet:  [e-mail] or ...skinner!gla-aux!glenn

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Date: Thu,  2 Sep 1993 12:02:45 +0000
From: Elliot Bennett <[e-mail]>
Subject: Macs---to leave on, or not to leave on (R)

Personally, JUST considering the SIGNIFICANT impact on both electricity costs
and the environment (remember that your power most likely comes from burning
coal or fissioning nuclear material) I would STRONGLY recommend you NOT leave
you mac on overnight.  Regardless of the impact on your circuits, it's
environmentally irresponsible and just too expensive...

Just my $0.02...
Elliot Bennett
DLR, Cologne, Germany
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 9:49 BST
From: RICHARD LIM <[e-mail]>
Subject: Macs - to leave on, or not to leave on (C)/Energy Saver

My pal John Thoo [e-mail] writes in Digest 174:

>I've read (here, in fact, I believe) that it's not a bad idea to leave
>one's Mac on all the time because powering it up each time stresses its
>circuits.  But in the Oct93 Macworld [p.139], Jim Heid states, ``Leaving
>a Mac on 24 hours a day ... shortens a hard drive's life.''  Hmm ...

I can't really comment on this John, but if I might be allowed to sit
a related question on top of yours...We're currently using the new Energy
Saver control panel on a Centris 650 with the 14" Macintosh Color Display,
which we leave on all the time.  Although I couldn't find any of the
appropriate markings on the monitor's packaging, I presume Energy Saver can
be used with it, because when we revive the Mac we hear those beeps and the
monitor gradually eases back into life.  Now, the question: has anyone
experienced problems with the Mac crashing when you try to bring the monitor
back up?  While Energy Saver worked fine for the first two days, lately in
about half the cases the Mac will return to life in Macsbugland, with either
the Finder or DarkSide 4.1 as the process which crashed.  This is on a
Centris with very few additional INITs indeed; it could of course be
something other than Energy Saver causing crashes while the Mac is idle.  If
you've had similar problems please mail me and I'll post a list of reports.

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 09:21:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Eric Burger)
Subject: MacX (Q)

Forwarded message from [e-mail]:
>         The font exists on my unix box as a pcf file:
> Rom14.iso1.pcf.Z through Rom14.iso9.pcf.Z skipping only iso6 and
> iso8. There is also a Rom14.pcf.Z.
>         Anyone know how to get that font to the mac?
MacX understands the BDF font format.  First, uncompress the PCF
files (that's the .Z part).  Then convert them to BDF (you should
have a utility like "pcf2bdf", "pcftobdf", "pcf2snf", or "pcftosnf".
If you go the SNF route, you have to convert the SNF files to BDF:
"snftobdf".

Copy the BDF file to your Mac (or, if you have CAP or NFS/Share,
mount the volume with the BDF file on it).  Put the file in your
MacX fonts folder.  _Then_ you can compile the font from MacX.
Chapter 5 of the MacX User's Guide for directions...

--
Eric Burger
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 05:23:49 PDT
From: [e-mail] (John Thoo)
Subject: Microsoft Word or Nisus? (R)


On 1 Sep 1993 Normand Beaudoin <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I plan to buy, learn, and use a word processor, particularly
> for a doctoral thesis which will contain text, graphics and
> pictures. I have a limited time for that job, so I absolutely
> must not do a mistake with the choice of the word
> processor I will use. Is there other word processors better
> than Word or Nisus? What Nisus can do that Word cannot and
> vice versa? Which one should I choose?????

Normand, if I might be so bold, let me suggest that you either snag a copy
of FullWrite Professional 1.5s (if you can find one) and then upgrade it to
FullWrite 2 early next year (if you feel so inclined to then), or simply wait
for the release of FullWrite 2.  Although I don't have any specific info on
FW2, if it's anything like FWP or better, I assure you that you won't be
disappointed.  FWP will currently handle what you mentioned above in fine
style.

Shamelessly plugging FullWrite ...
--John.
<[e-mail]>    ``My _real_ word processor is FullWrite.''

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Date: Thu,  2 Sep 1993 14:27:45 +0000
From: Elliot Bennett <[e-mail]>
Subject: Obscure DEC Hard disk question

Extra bonus prize to the person who figures this out:

We have a DEC RZ-420 SCSI hard disk which we would like to connect to a mac.
Apparently the thing won't spin up.  According to our (not always entirely
reliable) DEC sources, DEC machines send their hard disks a "spin up"
command.


Anyone know if this is true and/or if we have a prayer of getting this thing
to work with a Mac?

Extreme gratitude and total amazement to anyone who can help us out...

Elliot Bennett
DLR, Cologne, Germany
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1993 00:23:52 +0200
From: Matthias Ulrich Neeracher <[e-mail]>
Subject: OzTeX

Wolf Dieter Brandt writes:

>There is another shareware TeX version called DirectTex available
>from hadron.tp2.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (anonymous FTP). It includes
>BibTeX and Metafont, printer drivers for StyleWriter, HP DeskWriter,
>Apple LaserWriter and Postscript printers.

... and another alternative is TeXShop, available on nic.switch.ch,
software/mac/src/texshop, which is free and comes with complete
source code. TeXShop also needs MPW, and...

>The MPW Shell is available from ftp.apple.com (anonymous FTP).

This is unfortunately not true. The MPW Shell was removed from ftp.apple.com
quite a while ago and was *never* intended for non-owners of MPW. It was
put up for ftp by Apple when they had accidentally shipped a buggy version
to customers.

There is no legal alternative to buying MPW.

Matthias Neeracher
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu,  2 Sep 1993 09:41 CST
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Printing maps

Does anyone know if the educational geography program, Where in the World is
Carmen SanDiego, will print maps?  I am looking for a program that will
generate all kinds of maps so that my 8-year-old can learn geography.  Is
there
a shareware program that will do maps?  I'd like to get something that will
print maps of the USA, continents, Europe, etc--with and without appropriate
names printed on the map.  Any help will be greatly appreciated.  If you'll
respond directly to me, I'll summarize to the net.  Thanks!

Steve Waechter
swaechter@utmem1 (bitnet)
[e-mail] (internet)

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 93 18:44:12 PDT
From: Ted Goranson <[e-mail]>
Subject: PS/TT Help

I run 7.1 on a Q800 with 40M, connected to a LaswerWriter Pro 630.
Myprimary DTP application is FrameMaker 3.01. Currently I keep all of
myfonts in TrueType form (and convert those which come in PostScript).
Inmany respects this is great, Suitcase allows me to pack the
fontsuitcases, screen draws are better in quality than PS with ATM. Note,
thatFrame uses its own font cache for screen REdraw and this seems to
workbetter with TT (though that may be an illusion).Here's the problem. A
typical page has about 7 fonts, none of which areresident on the printer.
So it takes forever for a page to print. I willbe adding a disk to the
printer (probably the internal option APS offers)but now I have this
question:Do I simply place TrueType copies of the fonts on this disk, or
do Iconvert to PS? If the latter, would it be better to go back to the
(buggy)ATM and bitmaps? Is it even possible, or does the Laserwriter
utilityautomatically convert the downloads to PS drivers? Will I have to
worryabout name or number consistancy?Printer mavens, Thanks in advance.

---Ted Goranson

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 93 11:08:21 BST
From: [e-mail] (Peter Kay) (Peter Kay)
Subject: Reference points in Word

Hello all!

A little advice would be appreciated.
I am just beginning to "write up" for my doctoral thesis and am using Word.

Do you know if there is a way to "mark" a place in the text and have a
page number reference to that place somewhere else, where Word itself
keeps track of any change of page of the mark.

I have scoured the manual for this, in vain. If there is no built-in
facility for this, is there a workaround? Using a different word processor
is not an option.




Peter Kay, School of Information Sciences,     (tel. no. 0707 284 358)
University of Hertfordshire, UK, AL10  9AB     ([e-mail])

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 93 21:12 BST
From: RICHARD LIM <[e-mail]>
Subject: Replacing a file - does it really have to work like that?

There have been quite a few things I've wanted to comment on in recent
months, but pressure of work has generally made me hold my tongue.  But
I just have to get this little sob story off my chest.

Today I tried to replace an MS Word document on my hard disk with a newer
version saved on a floppy.  The usual dialog box came up; I clicked OK
and the copy proceeded.  Halfway through came that dreaded pause, the hum
of the floppy drive changed, then the dialog box, "The copy could not be
completed because a disk error occured".  What had happened of course was
that the floppy had developed bad blocks.  What had also happened (of
course?) was that the document on my hard disk had been deleted but no
new version put in its place.  So there I was, with only a damaged,
unreadable document on my floppy...and nowhere else.

I struggled to recover various versions of the file from both floppy and
hard disk with Norton, but in each case the files were messed up in just
the right way that Word practically exploded when it tried to open them.
In the end, I managed to import all the text from the recovered files using
a text editor, but I spent the next 6 hours, teeth almost grinding in
frustration, redoing more than 50 painstakingly typeset equations (some
>From memory or worked out from scratch, I might add).

I'm not sure if there is a moral to this tale of woe (okay, make more than
one backup, I know, I know!), but there are queries: when replacing a file,
why does the Finder delete the original before slapping on the new version?
Would it not be better (albeit maybe a bit slower) to do things the _other_
way round?  How do other operating systems do it?

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 18:08:25 EDT
From: Tony Silva <[e-mail]>
Subject: software AppleTalk/EtherNet routers (Q)

Does anyone have any comments (pro or con) on using software
AppleTalk/EtherNet routers, such as Apple's AppleTalk Internet Router
or Farallon's Liaison, for bridging AppleTalk and EtherNet networks? I
like to print from a Sun SparcStation2, over EtherNet, through a
MacIIci, and over AppleTalk to an old LaserWriter.  Also, can anyone
tell me what these packages cost?  I don't want to spend many $$$ on a
hardware router (FastPath, GatorBox, etc.). As always, TIA.

Tony Silva, Atlantic Aerospace Elec. Corp., [phone], [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1993 07:55 EST
From: Bob Beason <[e-mail]>
Subject: SPICE for the Mac

There is a version of SPICE called PSPICE made for the mac by MicroSim Corp.,
20 Fairbanks, Irvine, CA 92718, [phone] or [phone].  I haven't
used it in a few years, but in 1991 it was up to version 4.  They used to
provide demos, but I don't know if they still do.  I agree with Tom Coradeschi
that it seems incredible that the Mac, which is better suited to this market
than many other platforms, is ignored.

Bob Beason
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 18:00:05 +0200
From: [e-mail] (Jean-Francois Sygnet)
Subject: system enablers help needed

hi

I'm afraid I understand next to nothing to system 7.1's
system enablers. More precisely I do not understand what
system enabler is needed for a PowerBook 180.


CASE A)
-- French user A buys a used PowerBook 180.
   It has on its hard disk AND on a floppy labelled
   "Macintosh PowerBook Disk Tools" a
   System enabler 131 version F1-1.0.
   Works fine :-)

-- This user downloads "Hardware System Updater 2.0" (Dated August 93)
   from ftp.apple.com and in the read-me file finds the words:
   "[The Hardware System Udater 2.0] updates the system enabler 131 for
    PowerBook 180 (to version 1.0.2) ...".

-- OK: the PowerBook 180 needs the system enable 131 ...


CASE B)
-- French user B buys (more recently) a PowerBook 180.
   It has on its hard disk AND on a floppy labelled
   "Macintosh PowerBook 160/180 Disk Tools" (* NOTE THE "160/180" *)
   a System enabler 111 version F1-1.0.1.
   Works fine :-)

-- This user downloads "system-enablers-read-me.txt" (Dated Fev 93)
   from ftp.apple.com and finds the words:
   "Macintosh PowerBook 180 [Uses] System Enabler 111 [Current
   Version] 1.0.2 [wich is] included with Express Modem Disk 1.0.1"

-- OK: the PowerBook 180 needs the system enable 111 ...


So, is there any difference between System Enablers 111 and 131 ?
Which one is needed in a PowerBook 180 ?
What is the DEFINITE (if any) answer ?
Why is it so messy?

please reply to me directly and I'll sumerize for the net.

Thanks in advance

Jean-Francois Sygnet <[e-mail]>


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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 16:13:09 -0400
From: [e-mail] (mei deng)
Subject: Thanks for the Excel help!!

Dear netters,

Many thanks to the following people for their support and quick response.

 think I'll use the 'Options/Calculations' and select
 'Precision', and limit the precision to 3 digits after decimal place.

[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

-mei

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 16:09:46 -0400
From: [e-mail] (mei deng)
Subject: Thanks for the Excel help!!

Dear netters,

Many thanks to the following people for their support and quick response. I
think I'll use the 'Options/Calculations' and select 'Precision', and limit
the
precision to 3 digits after decimal place.

[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 09:40:09 -0230
From: NNTP server account <[e-mail]>

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest
Path: morgan!dgraham
From: [e-mail] (David Graham)
Subject: Re: LC 520 (Too good to be true?)
Message-ID: <dgraham.746971627@morgan>
Sender: [e-mail] (NNTP server account)
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 12:07:07 GMT

[e-mail] writes:

>Colglazier <[e-mail]> writes:

>>MacWorld's 9/93 issue (p.109) list the Mac LC 520 at
>>$1600 for:
>>25mhz 68030 5/80
>>built-in 14" color (Trinitron)
>>380-KBps speed CD-ROM.

>    Pretty amazing price for what you are getting isn't it. And all of
>this only uses ONE cable, to plug the LC520 into the wall.

I have just bought an LC520 (8/160); it is selling here for $2300 Cdn.
It has been on my desk for a couple of days now and seems like a great
machine for the money. Good sound from audio CDs, too.

>-Hades
--
David Graham, Dept of French & Spanish ** [e-mail]
Memorial University of Newfoundland  *-/-*  [e-mail]

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